Difference between Bammers and Vols "fans"

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During Saban's first year, the Turd went 6-6 and lost to U La Mo. Yet despite the general dull normal IQ's of the Bammer nation, they for the most part stayed unified behind their new coach, who they KNEW was gonna "git 'er done."

UT "fans" on the other hand, and I speak of what is unfortunately a fairly large minority of our fanbase, wanna know if CLK was the right hire and how long we're gonna give him, etc. etc. Our fan base is a bunch of stupid mofuggers. I am embarrassed to even be the same species as a hueyvol, much less a fan of the same team.

And this is why Bammer did in fact rise up and return to dominance, and why we will be lucky to do so. By the time CLK gets it done in 2011 or 2012, he will have tired of the hueys and daddios and diatribes and their ilk, and he will take the Lane Train outta K-town as fast as he can. And then, ladies and gentlemen, we will be fooked.

[ONUV]

saban had proved himself as a college coach, kiffin hasn't. i think that's why some aren't taking the losses well.

[Polemicvol]

Which Kiffin won as Offensive Co-ordinator at USC?

The "Kiffin isn't a proved coach" meme is just a subset of the "Fulmer is a molder of men" gang's mantras.

[TheDeeble]

saban had proved himself as a college coach, kiffin hasn't. i think that's why some aren't taking the losses well.

Whether or not he has or hasn't proven himself as a head coach, it shouldn't really matter the 1st year. Although we should see improvement overall next year. Let him get some of his recruits in and coached. Then we'll really know what kind of head coach Kiffin is.

As of now, anyone can see we're clearly hampered by having no passing game at all. You can't blame Kiffin for lack of a competent qb.

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bammer was left with some better players compared to what we have at tennessee.

qb wilson better than crompton

saban more comfortable as hc vs lane kiffin.

kiffin is only 33 sabahr 53
that twenty yrs difference is huge.

kiffin in young and dumb / stubborn sometimes.

don't think u can compare the two actually. i am gonna give kiff and the staff time as a realist i understand our situation on offense - terrible qb, wr's are not real good and an ol that is not good = an off. that is not the good.

def- they are doing the best they can and dealing with playing a bunch each game due to off ineffectiveness and no long off drives due to no cohesion.

just gotta take the lumps.

[volinator]

so next year we will be 12-2? just asking.

[Little Dipper]

During Saban's first year, the Turd went 6-6 and lost to U La Mo. Yet despite the general dull normal IQ's of the Bammer nation, they for the most part stayed unified behind their new coach, who they KNEW was gonna "git 'er done."

UT "fans" on the other hand, and I speak of what is unfortunately a fairly large minority of our fanbase, wanna know if CLK was the right hire and how long we're gonna give him, etc. etc. Our fan base is a bunch of stupid mofuggers. I am embarrassed to even be the same species as a hueyvol, much less a fan of the same team.

And this is why Bammer did in fact rise up and return to dominance, and why we will be lucky to do so. By the time CLK gets it done in 2011 or 2012, he will have tired of the hueys and daddios and diatribes and their ilk, and he will take the Lane Train outta K-town as fast as he can. And then, ladies and gentlemen, we will be fooked.


Yep, UT fans have a perpetual inferiority complex - always looking for and expecting the worst, and getting what they expect. More of them need to look in the mirror rather than at Kiffin.

Bama fans know they can win. UT fans hope they can.

[LeonVol]

Which Kiffin won as Offensive Co-ordinator at USC?

The "Kiffin isn't a proved coach" meme is just a subset of the "Fulmer is a molder of men" gang's mantras.

It is laughable to try and even suggest that Kiffin has ANYWHERE NEAR the track record of success that Saban has. Saban was an assistant coach at Kent State, Navy, Michigan State, Syracuse, West Virginia, and both the Oilers and the Cleveland Browns.... He was a head coach at Toledo, Michigan State, LSU and the Miami Dolphins before he ended up at Bama. Saban had a proven track record at LSU of taking over a very similar situation. Actually Saban probably inherited a more difficult situation at LSU than he did at Alabama.

Kiffin was a grad assistant at Colorado State, worked in a non-coaching role for the jacksonville jaguars then went to USC. At USC he was part of a very successful program but that program has continued to prosper without him around. So one wonders how integral Kiffin was to USCs success. Or at least a smart person would have such concerns.

I am not saying everyone should be down on him but to suggest that Alabama had just as big of an unknown in Saban as we do in Kiffin is ridiculous. THen to try and label fans that point out that Kiffin does in fact have a VERY limited resume compared to Saban, Meyer, Carrol, Stoops and most other decent college coaches. This doesnt say that he will not be successful but its a fact. He is relatively an unknown. Success at a program that maintained success after your departure is great but its not as convincing as a track record of success at several different programs.

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What IS a valid comparison between Kiffin and Saban is that both inherited historically great programs that had come off an extended down period that left their programs with subpar talent. And both Kiffin and Saban came in with guns a blazin' as far as recruiting. Bammers saw this and knew that before long, Bama would have the Jimmys and Joes necessary to back on top in the SEC. Kiffin shows every indication of being able to recruit just as successfully as Saban. SOME of us see this and know that in a couple more years, we'll be where we want to be. Honestly, track record as a recruiter is the #1 predictor for success at the college level. Kiffin's track record is shorter than Saban's, but just as impressive otherwise.

Yeah , we coulda hired a Chris Petersen instead, and I suspect that he would've polished the turd that is our current roster better than Kiffin. I highly doubt however that he would've had the ceiling that Kiffin does. I think a Jim Grobe would've worked out the same. But I don't want consistent 8-9 win seasons, I want a dominant program that is regarded as a legitimate threat to win the SECC most years, and is in the MNC discussion often.

Truth of the matter is that Kiffin is ONE player short on this roster of polishing the turd to a 5-0 record anyway.

[SoftballVol]

so next year we will be 12-2? just asking.
Maybe, if by some miracle we have the same amount of talent that Bama had that second year.

[GoBigOrangutan]

especially after the 911 comment, but Saban vs. Kiffin is ludicrous. Everybody and their momma knew Saban would rebuild Bama in time.

Nobody would be on Kiffin's ass if he'd just bench the Big Orangegrove. It's the one thing that would unite us all, and it seems like sheer arrogant adherence to his mythical three year plan that prevents it.

Finally, if it weren't for Monte, the chorus of disapproval for Baby Kiffin (AKA Doogie Howser, H.C.) would be deafening. Daddy has some clout, thank goodness.

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[volinator]

cool

[BrassVols]

It is laughable to try and even suggest that Kiffin has ANYWHERE NEAR the track record of success that Saban has. Saban was an assistant coach at Kent State, Navy, Michigan State, Syracuse, West Virginia, and both the Oilers and the Cleveland Browns.... He was a head coach at Toledo, Michigan State, LSU and the Miami Dolphins before he ended up at Bama. Saban had a proven track record at LSU of taking over a very similar situation. Actually Saban probably inherited a more difficult situation at LSU than he did at Alabama.

Huh? Where did Poley say any such thing? You're trying to put words in his mouth. He just said Kiffin is a proven coach at the collegiate level being an integral part of the preeminent program of this decade. That's independent of what Nick the Dick did or didn't do.

Kiffin was a grad assistant at Colorado State, worked in a non-coaching role for the jacksonville jaguars then went to USC. At USC he was part of a very successful program but that program has continued to prosper without him around. So one wonders how integral Kiffin was to USCs success. Or at least a smart person would have such concerns.

Well duh, pt 2. That's what successful programs do when people leave, they reload. You're overlooking the fact that Lane grew up in a football environment that couldn't have been much better suited for knowing how to coach. The only question in my mind when we hired him had nothing to do with his football expertise, it was whether he had the managerial and executive skills to run a high profile program. Given the way he instituted HIS program and HIS culture, hired HIS staff and signed HIS 1st class, I have few doubts about that now.

I am not saying everyone should be down on him but to suggest that Alabama had just as big of an unknown in Saban as we do in Kiffin is ridiculous. THen to try and label fans that point out that Kiffin does in fact have a VERY limited resume compared to Saban, Meyer, Carrol, Stoops and most other decent college coaches. This doesnt say that he will not be successful but its a fact. He is relatively an unknown. Success at a program that maintained success after your departure is great but its not as convincing as a track record of success at several different programs.

Huh, pt 3??? How is Kiffin's resume "VERY limited" compared to Bob Stoops' when he got hired by OU??? Stoops had been a coordinator at a premier program 3 years and a "co-coordinator" at a not so premier program 5 years before that. So what's so VERY much better about that compared to a guy who was an NFL HC for 1+ years????? You need to go back to the chalkboard on that one.

[Napervol]

[QUOTE=LeonVol;60459]It is laughable to try and even suggest that Kiffin has ANYWHERE NEAR the track record of success that Saban has. Saban was an assistant coach at Kent State, Navy, Michigan State, Syracuse, West Virginia, and both the Oilers and the Cleveland Browns.... He was a head coach at Toledo, Michigan State, LSU and the Miami Dolphins before he ended up at Bama. Saban had a proven track record at LSU of taking over a very similar situation. Actually Saban probably inherited a more difficult situation at LSU than he did at Alabama.

Kiffin was a grad assistant at Colorado State, worked in a non-coaching role for the jacksonville jaguars then went to USC. At USC he was part of a very successful program but that program has continued to prosper without him around. So one wonders how integral Kiffin was to USCs success. Or at least a smart person would have such concerns.

I am not saying everyone should be down on him but to suggest that Alabama had just as big of an unknown in Saban as we do in Kiffin is ridiculous. THen to try and label fans that point out that Kiffin does in fact have a VERY limited resume compared to Saban, Meyer, Carrol, Stoops and most other decent college coaches. This doesnt say that he will not be successful but its a fact. He is relatively an unknown. Success at a program that maintained success after your departure is great but its not as convincing as a track record of success at several different programs.[/QUOte

[rocketcityvol]

...Saban got lucky, extremely lucky last year, that the SEC was in a relatively "down" year. LSU, UT, and AU were all much worse than they had traditionally been in the recent past...Clemson was so good they fired their coach, too. So given that and the fact he brought in some great players, and had a decent qb, they won big his second year...he was able to get the vibe going real quick. It may take longer for Kiffin...he has a longer row to hoe. But he will get it done if he can keep recruiting as he is. He has a plan...now if the dumbasses that can't keep looking backwards will give him a chance.

[partsmaaaaan]

...Saban got lucky, extremely lucky last year, that the SEC was in a relatively "down" year. LSU, UT, and AU were all much worse than they had traditionally been in the recent past...Clemson was so good they fired their coach, too. So given that and the fact he brought in some great players, and had a decent qb, they won big his second year...he was able to get the vibe going real quick. It may take longer for Kiffin...he has a longer row to hoe. But he will get it done if he can keep recruiting as he is. He has a plan...now if the dumbasses that can't keep looking backwards will give him a chance.

Lucky? maybe....BUT in season 2 some of the "head cases" from his 1st season were gone. Also in season 2, the O and D finally settled in with the system.

[wagee12]

especially after the 911 comment, but Saban vs. Kiffin is ludicrous. Everybody and their momma knew Saban would rebuild Bama in time.

Nobody would be on Kiffin's ass if he'd just bench the Big Orangegrove. It's the one thing that would unite us all, and it seems like sheer arrogant adherence to his mythical three year plan that prevents it.

Finally, if it weren't for Monte, the chorus of disapproval for Baby Kiffin (AKA Doogie Howser, H.C.) would be deafening. Daddy has some clout, thank goodness.

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You just nailed it there my friend. Right now a change at quarterback would re-energize and reunite the fan base. At this point, it really doesn't matter whether the replacement is much better than Crapton. Everyone has seen enough of Crapton's inept, bumbling performances and just want the opportunity to say that at least they tried something different.

[vik]

What IS a valid comparison between Kiffin and Saban is that both inherited historically great programs that had come off an extended down period that left their programs with subpar talent. And both Kiffin and Saban came in with guns a blazin' as far as recruiting. Bammers saw this and knew that before long, Bama would have the Jimmys and Joes necessary to back on top in the SEC. Kiffin shows every indication of being able to recruit just as successfully as Saban. SOME of us see this and know that in a couple more years, we'll be where we want to be. Honestly, track record as a recruiter is the #1 predictor for success at the college level. Kiffin's track record is shorter than Saban's, but just as impressive otherwise.

Yeah , we coulda hired a Chris Petersen instead, and I suspect that he would've polished the turd that is our current roster better than Kiffin. I highly doubt however that he would've had the ceiling that Kiffin does. I think a Jim Grobe would've worked out the same. But I don't want consistent 8-9 win seasons, I want a dominant program that is regarded as a legitimate threat to win the SECC most years, and is in the MNC discussion often.

Truth of the matter is that Kiffin is ONE player short on this roster of polishing the turd to a 5-0 record anyway.

What I like on Saban's resume, as well as Peterson's, is that they each have shown that they can take basically 3-star talent, and coach 'em up to compete with teams with 4-star talent.

Lane hasn't shown that he can do this yet, but I believe he's in the process.

What's really exciting is that there are so many people on Lane's staff who have proven that they can go out and *get* top talent... The future is bright!

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Interestingly though, I would argue that during their limited time in the NFL, Kiffin did a better job of coaching up his roster than Saban did with his. The Raiders have nothing, and are cursed with the NFL version of Crompton in JaMarcus Russell, and yet he went 5-11 I think during Kiffin's tenure. They won't do that well this year I assure you, and reviews of what he did with that squad were generally positive. Saban on the other hand got nothing but negative press for his management of the Dolphins roster....and deciding to hitch his wagon to Daunte Culpepper instead of Drew Brees was puzzling then and even more inexcusable now.

I would also argue that Saban hasn't coached up his Bama teams any more than the talent base allowed. He had more talent there his first year than CLK has right now, and still only went 6-6. That's just my opinion though. What Saban excels at is recruiting and at instilling discipline on the field. And I think so far that those are Kiffin's strengths as well.

[rocketcityvol]

Lucky? maybe....BUT in season 2 some of the "head cases" from his 1st season were gone. Also in season 2, the O and D finally settled in with the system.

Well, yeah, that's my point..more comfort level in system, practice, conditioning expectations, disciplinary style , etc.

But the progress curve's slope took a big jump up, leading to even more confidence (plus recruiting momentum) by being able to negotiate an undefeated regular season, due in part to what was now (but maybe not so obvious last year in preseason) a down season in the SEC, except for UA, UF, and maybe Ole Miss. Vandy and UK a bit better than normal, but not enough to effect things. Saban goes 8-4, 9-3, they're still getting better, but there's not the big uptick in your "portfolio".