Kiffin Fans VS Fulmer Fans

[RockyTopCam]

After reading an article linked by VaVols One thing has become crystal clear. Find one me one person that hates Kiffin under 35.Now lets think about the biggest Fulmer lackeys.Tosh,UncleRemus,BigGayRoy,Smith are any of them under 55. No offense to any olders Monvols but we all now older people hate change more than younger folks.

[ONUV]

fulmer fans tend to mirror their hero

[BrassVols]

After reading an article linked by VaVols One thing has become crystal clear. Find one me one person that hates Kiffin under 35.Now lets think about the biggest Fulmer lackeys.Tosh,UncleRemus,BigGayRoy,Smith are any of them under 55. No offense to any olders Monvols but we all now older people hate change more than younger folks.

Trust me RTC, it ain't age. It's whether you're a retarded shitbird or not.

[VaVol]

Yes, stupidity has no age limit

[RockyTopCam]

Brassy I don't think all older fans hate Kiffin but I think the fans that do are more than likely older. Statement reminds me of an IQ test questio

[VOLociraptor]

It probably trends that way, who knows?

My parents, who are in their early seventies, were pretty adamant about canceling their season tickets they've held since 1982 if Fulmer was not fired last season. They purposely skipped some games out of protest.

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Hey, I liked Fulmer a lot. Don't know 'bout that cocky sumbitch you got up there now though.

[FloppyEarsMcGee]

My old man, who is 52, had a hate for Fulmer and his ways about the same that I did. As much as he hated Fulmer, man he detested anything John Chavis. He'd about blow a damn gasket on 3rd and Longs.

He loves Kiffin and that he's coming into the game gun-blazing. To be honest with you all, I haven't found one person, in my personal life away from the computer, who doesn't like what Kiffin is doing.

[wagee12]

My old man, who is 52, had a hate for Fulmer and his ways about the same that I did. As much as he hated Fulmer, man he detested anything John Chavis. He'd about blow a damn gasket on 3rd and Longs.

He loves Kiffin and that he's coming into the game gun-blazing. To be honest with you all, I haven't found one person, in my personal life away from the computer, who doesn't like what Kiffin is doing.
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Same here Floppy, I see Tennessee fans all the time around West Tennessee and they all love Lane Kiffin. It's almost like you have been shackled watching a 19 inch black and white TV for your entire life and then suddenly one day a rich uncle gives you a big screen Plasma!!!

[Checkered]

I'm approaching your age line and I assure you that I'm not a "Fulmer" fan. For that matter, I'm not a "Kiffin" fan either. I'm a UT fan and I fully support replacing Fulmer with Kiffin. I'm excited about the football program like I haven't been during this century. He had his run but Fulmer had become stale and it was way past time for a change.

So don't assume all us old guys "think" old.

[SoftballVol]

I'm approaching your age line and I assure you that I'm not a "Fulmer" fan. For that matter, I'm not a "Kiffin" fan either. I'm a UT fan and I fully support replacing Fulmer with Kiffin. I'm excited about the football program like I haven't been during this century. He had his run but Fulmer had become stale and it was way past time for a change.

So don't assume all us old guys "think" old.

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[rosefeathers]

I've got to agree with Brassy, it has nothing to do with age.

I'm 40, hated Fulmer since '02, and love the idea of a new fresh face and approach for the UT football program. I am firmly in CLK's corner unless he becomes BAD for my beloved Vols. Right now, he is VERY GOOD for my team, so I'm a CLK guy. If or when he becomes anything but a positive for UT then I'll be opposed to him and welcome change again.

[Bonevol]

I think you are drawing a conclusion from a small set of data. I am a little seasoned myself, but I fully support Kiffin and how he is trying to get it done. One thing that a little age can provide is perspective.

Whether young or old, I think the VolNation is amped up like I haven't see in a long time.

"The problem with youth, is that it is wasted on the young".

[SoftballVol]

I think you are drawing a conclusion from a small set of data. I am a little seasoned myself, but I fully support Kiffin and how he is trying to get it done. One thing that a little age can provide is perspective.

Whether young or old, I think the VolNation is amped up like I haven't see in a long time.

"The problem with youth, is that it is wasted on the young".
Did you mean to direct that reply to me?

[humbletx]

After reading an article linked by VaVols One thing has become crystal clear. Find one me one person that hates Kiffin under 35.Now lets think about the biggest Fulmer lackeys.Tosh,UncleRemus,BigGayRoy,Smith are any of them under 55. No offense to any olders Monvols but we all now older people hate change more than younger folks.

A number of college football fans have long known Tennessee needed a change - and none of them hate Fulmer or Kiffin.

[Napervol]

I think it was quite the contrary. Those of us who are older were much quicker to get off the Fulmer wagon. Those that came along as UT fans in the 90's tend to be more the Fulmer supporters, no matter their age.

Having seen coaching changes many times...it was not something that we feared because of age. In fact...the older you are I would submit, the more you wanted change so that you could see more great UT teams in your lifetime....

[RockyTopCam]

No where did I say all older people hate Kiffin.

[Stoli]

I don't sense much difference between the ages. The people I come into contact routinely seem to like Kiffin or are at least willing to give him a chance. Some think he is a little brash but otherwise like what he has been doing.

I don't think Volchat, Mike Griffin, or talk radio in Knoxville is a fair representation of the general feeling toward Kiffin and Fulmer.

[Bonevol]

Did you mean to direct that reply to me?

No. It was meant as a reply to the original post. Still learning how the new site works.

I think we both agree on this one.

[real turf fan]

I remember (vaguely) when I passed your age line. And I'm a gal. And I had grown tired of watching players not play to their potential, I had grown irate at idiotic play calling, and I mourned that I couldn't stand to watch UT play Florida because I knew they were going to get stomped. Not because I could analyse the plays in advance, but because I could read the body language of the Fulmer, his coaches and players.
There was no there there.

[norobro]

I'm 61 and I have been ready for a new coach since 2001. I was ecstatic with the results in the 90's but let's face it Fulmer's teams never were disciplined or innovative. His philosophy was/is that of a conservative old offensive lineman and that is outdated in today's football world.

I find Kiffen and his staff a breath of fresh air and am very encouraged by the things I have read.

I love his in your face attitude. Hope it translates to the play on the field.

[HAWKVOL]

After reading an article linked by VaVols One thing has become crystal clear. Find one me one person that hates Kiffin under 35.Now lets think about the biggest Fulmer lackeys.Tosh,UncleRemus,BigGayRoy,Smith are any of them under 55. No offense to any olders Monvols but we all now older people hate change more than younger folks.


Some of those Older guys have had access for a lot longer and thus ....they are more "dug in".

It's about losing their access to the program thru their relationship to Fulmer and his Staff....there is no other Rational explanation beyond pure STUPIDITY.

[ElCaminoReVol]

From what I've observed and read on OM over the years, (this has been the only board I've visited or participated, not familiar with any of the others) a consistent theme among u of Phil fans seems to be access to the program. Normal UT fans could give a turd about that and are only concerned with the overall health of the program.

[Chatta Vol]

....the Kiffs would monkey stomp the SHIT out of the Phil Flamer fans!

[Gleasonvol]

:Where I attend church there are about 30 vol fans and all 30 are "tickled pink" Czar Hamilton made a change!

[gatewayghost]

as well. I agree with the poster who said away from the computer everyone loves Kiffin. The internet is the only place for the University of Fulmer fans to voice their opinions. I think the town is rejuvinated over football, I don't buy this internet talk that the fan base is divided. Even if their might be a popular Vol webb site that is more concerned about Fulmer than the UT.

[Riversetvol]

and no one is happier about Kiffin being our coach than me.

I would say the 2 most significant demographics of Fulmer supporters are:

1. Never attended UT

2. Never been outside Knox County, or certainly don't have too many experiences outside of Knoxville and don't realize what a joke our program had become.

Age is irrelevant.

[docbluz]

I am 62, graduated in '69 and knew that a change needed to be made when I walked out of the Georgia Dome in 2001. OM has been my daily "newspaper" since last spring and enjoy the brethern here, especially through the mess that was the 2008 football season. Whether or not this change is the final answer it sure looks better than anything since Johnny came marching home. Looking forward to football more than any season since 1999. I'll just hang up and enjoy.:music::yes2:

[Vol77]

I agree completely. We had a whole generation of fans who grew up with Fulmer as coach. They felt safe with Fulmer and couldn't imagine a change. Us older guys knew Fulmer had to go for years and were not afraid to take a chance on the future.


I think it was quite the contrary. Those of us who are older were much quicker to get off the Fulmer wagon. Those that came along as UT fans in the 90's tend to be more the Fulmer supporters, no matter their age.

Having seen coaching changes many times...it was not something that we feared because of age. In fact...the older you are I would submit, the more you wanted change so that you could see more great UT teams in your lifetime....

[Chiutfan]

Trust me RTC, it ain't age. It's whether you're a retarded shitbird or not.

Amen, Im 50, and I was so ready for fulmer to move on. I think the ones who like fulmer were content to wait forever, those of us that like Kiffin are more competitive and tend to be less accepting of the same old same old.

[TennesseeTuxedo]

I am 62, graduated in '69 and knew that a change needed to be made when I walked out of the Georgia Dome in 2001. OM has been my daily "newspaper" since last spring and enjoy the brethern here, especially through the mess that was the 2008 football season. Whether or not this change is the final answer it sure looks better than anything since Johnny came marching home. Looking forward to football more than any season since 1999. I'll just hang up and enjoy.:music::yes2:

doc welcome aboard. I hope that you start posting anytime you feel like it.

Most of us are now Kiffin fans, but we are first and foremost University of Tennessee fans. That can not be said about some others who were and still are U of Fulmer fans because of the their perceived status from knowing or being an acquaintance of Phildo. They are pissed and will remain pissed as long as Mike Hamilton is the AD.

[VolPowers]

I think age plays a very small part in the equation, but more importantly I think it's those who were ready for change were cognizant, sensible, tuned-in individuals, and those that clung to Fulmer like a toddler to his Daddy's leg are simply batshit ignorant. :yes2:

[AtlantaVol]

That sums up the Philistines very well. Strange bunch who hitched their wagons to a HC over 1) Their team 2) Their University 3) The actual players who were thrown under the bus and 4) The Assistant Coaches and the S&C coaches who were doing exactly what PF demanded.

The question I always have is whether we are totally unique in this love affair of a few fans with an ARROGANT POS POLITICIAN ex HC over everything else???? I just don't see this anywhere else. Maybe it occurs at FSU and PSU to some degree but Geez Louise- both Joe Pa and Saint Booby have had double the careers as Knoxville Phil has had and both have not been ARROGANT POS POLITICIANS who talked about "equity", threw their players under the bus after every loss, and went into business deals with powerfull boosters and BOT members. So what is it with some fans who are pure University of Fulmer fans????

[MagicDust]

To be honest with you all, I haven't found one person, in my personal life away from the computer, who doesn't like what Kiffin is doing.



seconded

[VenomousVol]

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Same here Floppy, I see Tennessee fans all the time around West Tennessee and they all love Lane Kiffin. It's almost like you have been shackled watching a 19 inch black and white TV for your entire life and then suddenly one day a rich uncle gives you a big screen Plasma!!!

Good analogy Wagee. Here's mine. We are a starving pit bull that got off the chain just as a grizzly bear(the SEC) walked by. There is no doubt that we will attack. The only question is.....Will we rip out the bears throat and gorge ourselves on the bountiful meat of the great beast? Or will it snap our spine with one swipe of it's mighty paw?

[JoeVols]

After reading an article linked by VaVols One thing has become crystal clear. Find one me one person that hates Kiffin under 35.Now lets think about the biggest Fulmer lackeys.Tosh,UncleRemus,BigGayRoy,Smith are any of them under 55. No offense to any olders Monvols but we all now older people hate change more than younger folks.

Honestly, any Vol fan that "hates" Kiffin already should have their heads examined.

[RockyTopCam]

I didn't quote who said it but someone made a very good point. The only people upset eatembythedozen Phil is gone are the ones who lose there connections or status as insiders. Those are all old people,JK.

[wagee12]

Typical BoxCar Philly fans----- Age may play a small role, but it is not the universal square root. The typical Phillie Da Poocher fan is one who puts much more emphasis on a football weekend as a social function and not as a time to go out on the gridiron and kick the living shitzz out of an opponent. They are long time tailgaters with specific regular members of their group who have had a routine for the last 15 years which they followed without much variation from year to year. They are the ones who never yell very much in Neyland Stadium and sit on their hands for most of the game. They are also the back slappers at the Big Orange Caravan who worked like heck to get in the foursome with Phil if it was a golf outing. The most vehement group would be comprised of about half dozen on VolChat. DiaTribeVol, RoadHo, Alexis the Drunken Corporal, Big Head Monkey and a couple more have now lost insider status and have lashed out at Kiffin, not because they really don't like him, but just because he got Phat Phil's job.
To describe Kiffin fans is an easy enough job. They are the mass multitudes of Big Orange fans, alums, boosters, etc. who want to see competitive football again. And competitive football does not mean squeaking past South Carolina, Kensucky and Candy in 2007 in order to back into the SECCG. Kiffin fans understand that you can't win them all, but they do expect to team to battle for four quarters and let the other guys know that they have been in a damned bar room brawl, win or lose. Kiffin fans are better students of the game, enjoy absorbing information about football and listen closely to color commentators like Todd Blackledge and Gary Danielson. Then, there are some of us who are just simply Layla Kiffin fans and are not ashamed to admit it!:naughty:

[Chatta Vol]

...Is that Boonie's evil twin?

[YamaVol]

and no one is happier about Kiffin being our coach than me.

I would say the 2 most significant demographics of Fulmer supporters are:

1. Never attended UT

2. Never been outside Knox County, or certainly don't have too many experiences outside of Knoxville and don't realize what a joke our program had become.

Age is irrelevant.

You make a good first point (though I know TONS of not UT alumni that wanted him gone) but your 2nd is way off. Many people in Knoxville wanted him gone. I live in Knoxville, go to church here, go to a gym here. EVERYONE I spoke with knew it was time for a change. There are just as many Fulmerites in West and Middle Tennessee and out of state.

I subscribe to the theory that outside of the internet there weren't a lot of Phat supportors. The reason they support him is because they had an "insider" or something to that effect.