Time to report another secondary

[wagee12]

ESPN attempted to do a hatchet job on Kiffin and showed some tape of three prospects going into a meeting room with Kiffin, which is, of course, a minor recruiting violation. Basically same thing as Auburn ran into with the footage of recruits at the log roll or whatever they call it. One of the problems here is that I am almost positive that ESPN knew what they were doing when they included the 10 to 15 seconds of the three recruits. Highlights of the piece were Pete Carroll and Grendel and all the great things they had to say about Kiffin. They also showed a poison pen letter from the Raiders who refused to have anyone comment publically.

[Chatta Vol]

ESPN attempted to do a hatchet job on Kiffin and showed some tape of three prospects going into a meeting room with Kiffin, which is, of course, a minor recruiting violation. Basically same thing as Auburn ran into with the footage of recruits at the log roll or whatever they call it. One of the problems here is that I am almost positive that ESPN knew what they were doing when they included the 10 to 15 seconds of the three recruits. Highlights of the piece were Pete Carroll and Grendel and all the great things they had to say about Kiffin. They also showed a poison pen letter from the Raiders who refused to have anyone comment publically.

I have a feeling the coaches have a list of every 2ndary out there and sit down and say "ok, i wanna do this, this, this and this for "A" recruit and this one and this one for "B" recruit?'....and then kiff checks em off and says "ok". :)

[duckbutt]

the entire piece was lame and tremendous amount of re-tread / stir the pot material.

Think ESPN thought they were being clever taping the little segment and then scooping it. Hate it when these so-called journalists try to create news rather than report it.

[wagee12]

the entire piece was lame and tremendous amount of re-tread / stir the pot material.

Think ESPN thought they were being clever taping the little segment and then scooping it. Hate it when these so-called journalists try to create news rather than report it.
That's exactly what they did Ducky. They also flashed the Hood story and announced he was found guilty of sexual assault, which is not true. He was a juvenile who was found to be deliquent. If you know nothing about the case at all, then one might conclude that Hood operated alone. It was a hit piece from almost the get-go.

[doublewide]

on this during his 11 am circle jerk on WATE this morning. Hiummmmms never has any hthing positive to say about CLK. He is so transparent in his suck love of Fillup Fullmore that he cannot didlodge is lips out of Fillups large crack. Last week Hiummmms repeatly took a negative stance concerning CLK and his tenure he (Which Hiyummmms! is hoping for a short stay) Called him "Controversial" etc etc etc. Nothing positive at all.After Hiyammmmmmms! nominated the Fat one for the Neyland award" it is painful to listen to his blabber. I listen to ESPN news or watch HGTV or the grass grow all before tuning in to him and his Baseball loving sidekick.

Damn we need some new sports shows here in Knoxville BAD!

[wagee12]

on this during his 11 am circle jerk on WATE this morning. Hiummmmms never has any hthing positive to say about CLK. He is so transparent in his suck love of Fillup Fullmore that he cannot didlodge is lips out of Fillups large crack. Last week Hiummmms repeatly took a negative stance concerning CLK and his tenure he (Which Hiyummmms! is hoping for a short stay) Called him "Controversial" etc etc etc. Nothing positive at all.After Hiyammmmmmms! nominated the Fat one for the Neyland award" it is painful to listen to his blabber. I listen to ESPN news or watch HGTV or the grass grow all before tuning in to him and his Baseball loving sidekick.

Damn we need some new sports shows here in Knoxville BAD!

DW, HiYams is an outsider now. I think you will be pleased to know that HiYams is regularly bashed on almost every UT board on the net. Anyone who can should call the show and make that LSU sumbitch hang up on you.

[Niblick]

I hope none of you are seriously foolish enough to think that the flunkies ESPN would send to film a short story piece on UT football, actually know the NCAA rules and regulations, and would intentionally put UT in a situation to vioalte them just to see if they could get them in trouble. gimme a break people.

[rocketcityvol]

...and there's hardly any deviation. Or something becomes the "conventional wisdom" and that's how things get reported?

Myself, I choose to dwell on the reports of:

* tremendous practice organization and intensity.
* Tremendous quality of coaching - these guys have great resumes or pedigrees, or both. From a variety of sources and influences, whether it be the NFL, the old Miami Hurricanes, the USC Trojans, the Nebraska Cornhuskers, ...you name it, there's some high quality training, influences. Sonny Lubick, Tom Osborne/Devaney, Pete Carroll, Joe Tiller....on and on.
* Friend of mine listening to Knoxville/Chattanooga talk radio mentioned player development will likely improve with this staff...that it had slacked off in the late PF years...and this from a guy considered pro-Fulmer (can't remember the name). Talks from the HS camp about how EVERYBODY gets coached up...from the blue chippers to the lower echelons. How they broke down film and then went out and worked on the weaknesses and mistakes of EVERYBODY.

* Improved competition for playing time. Competition makes you better. It improves morale, because playing time is based on actual graded performance, not some other criteria like "seniority". So a guy knows if he brings it in practice, he may have a shot at PT on Saturday.

* Hard work in recruiting...top 10 this year...who knows what in years to come? Increase in talent usually leads to improved performance.

So all these losers in the media can concentrate on the fluff and stuff...I'll concentrate on the things that really matter to a football team: talent, coaching, organization, esprit de corp, and effort.

[bluegrassvol]

I hope none of you are seriously foolish enough to think that the flunkies ESPN would send to film a short story piece on UT football, actually know the NCAA rules and regulations, and would intentionally put UT in a situation to vioalte them just to see if they could get them in trouble. gimme a break people.

Yep that's what they are saying.

[VolFrannie]

Well since this little piece was filmed 2 months ago, and ESPN sets it up from the get go to be about the secondary violations, THEN at the end tells you you've just witnessed one and the NCAA wouldn't commit til after the piece aired, then yes. Sounds staged to me.

Now maybe they didn't know what they had right away, but they sure knew it well before airing it.

[Toothless Athenian]

I'm tryin' to figure out what kiffin is doing that nobody else is doing? Cause i just don't understand the coverage by the national media. Are we to believe that Kiffin is the only one out there with secondary violations? And since when does Al "fucking" Davis's opinion matter? Mr.Davis has run the Raiders into the fucking ground gone are the days when they(the Raiders) where relevant. Have you tried to setdown and watch a Raider game lately their complete shit and Lane Kiffin has/had nothing to do with it.I guess we have all underestmated just how many friends fatts has in the media. Or is it that some in the press along with those two cryin' pussies Urban and Nick are afraid that UT just might recover and become relevant again!

TA.

[wkuvol]

the meeting was a function of the camp and not recruiting. Might be a thin argument, but and argument nonetheless. Of course, if the NCAA asks for a list of campers that got private meetings with Kiffin(along with their parents) they might find a pattern.:bulb:

I could care less about the previous secondary violations. I just want ESPN to have their "Aha!" moment fizzle. Of course, there will not be an ESPN follow up if it isn't and the damage is done as the national media and blogosphere will pounce with the typical "Kiffin does it again" story with a rehashing of every misstep he's made. Hell, I was listening to the Reds-Cubs game on the radio this afternoon and Marty Brenneman mentioned being a big Urban Meyer ("My man" as he called him) & UF football fan. He stated UT was in for a beating and they had asked for it.

[wagee12]

Here is a toll free number to call to let that bunch at ESPN know just exactly how you feel about their treatment of Lane Kiffin.

1-866-ESPN OTL

By the way, the recorded voice that answers is the ESPN version of Phat Blobb!

[bluegrassvol]

Here is a toll free number to call to let that bunch at ESPN know just exactly how you feel about their treatment of Lane Kiffin.

1-866-ESPN OTL

By the way, the recorded voice that answers is the ESPN version of Phat Blobb!

What exactly is that going to accomplish? The more people that call, the happier they will be. They do this sort of thing to stir up controversy and ramp up ratings. Trying to make Lane Kiffin look stupid=better ratings for ESPN. If a bunch of UT fans flood the phone lines it only encourages them to do more. The bottom line is that they are worried about ratings, and they don't give a shit about UT fans being upset. In fact, it probably gives Bob Ley a hard on to know that this segment tore you up so badly. The best thing to do is to ignore it.

[wagee12]

What exactly is that going to accomplish? The more people that call, the happier they will be. They do this sort of thing to stir up controversy and ramp up ratings. Trying to make Lane Kiffin look stupid=better ratings for ESPN. If a bunch of UT fans flood the phone lines it only encourages them to do more. The bottom line is that they are worried about ratings, and they don't give a shit about UT fans being upset. In fact, it probably gives Bob Ley a hard on to know that this segment tore you up so badly. The best thing to do is to ignore it.

Different strokes for different folks my man. Sorry you don't feel the need to call.
The text of the message I left for Bob Ley--- "I just wanted to take this opportunity to express my disappointment with the manner in which new Tennessee football coach Lane Kiffin was treated on OTLs today. Coach Kiffin has worked untold hours, days and weeks to start a rebuilding process at UT but you were not to be interested in that aspect of his story at all, rather you seem to want to behave like the sports equilvalent of the National Inquirer. Thank you and oh, but the way Bob, do you spit or swallow when giving Urban Meyer a blow job???

[rocketcityvol]

I'm tryin' to figure out what kiffin is doing that nobody else is doing? Cause i just don't understand the coverage by the national media. Are we to believe that Kiffin is the only one out there with secondary violations? And since when does Al "fucking" Davis's opinion matter? Mr.Davis has run the Raiders into the fucking ground gone are the days when they(the Raiders) where relevant. Have you tried to setdown and watch a Raider game lately their complete shit and Lane Kiffin has/had nothing to do with it.I guess we have all underestmated just how many friends fatts has in the media. Or is it that some in the press along with those two cryin' pussies Urban and Nick are afraid that UT just might recover and become relevant again!

TA.

Spot on. He's ruined the Raiders.

[wheelbilly]

Screw those ESPN assholes. For whatever reason, they do not like us. Remember they manipulated Manning's run for the Heisman. Damn right, I believe they set this one up.

[tnjimbob]

...is it possible that CLK's effort to rile up Florida & let them know that we will not be intimidated violates ESPN's kid-glove treatment of the gaytors and now they are going after UT?

[LWSVOL]

ESPN attempted to do a hatchet job on Kiffin and showed some tape of three prospects going into a meeting room with Kiffin, which is, of course, a minor recruiting violation. Basically same thing as Auburn ran into with the footage of recruits at the log roll or whatever they call it. One of the problems here is that I am almost positive that ESPN knew what they were doing when they included the 10 to 15 seconds of the three recruits. Highlights of the piece were Pete Carroll and Grendel and all the great things they had to say about Kiffin. They also showed a poison pen letter from the Raiders who refused to have anyone comment publically.

the vast majority of schools, if not all, report seconday violations to the media about once a year.. they release the number. Some may not even do that.

This campaign is being engineered by our head coach IMO. He is continuing to be sure the media gets these for the purposes of recruiting. Keeping the Tennessee name in the headlines. He knows secondary violations are meaningless and cannot harm the program.

IMO, this is all a planned effort on his part... and UT fans are raising cain about it on as many message boards as are around. :yes2:

[LWSVOL]

I'm tryin' to figure out what kiffin is doing that nobody else is doing? Cause i just don't understand the coverage by the national media. Are we to believe that Kiffin is the only one out there with secondary violations? And since when does Al "fucking" Davis's opinion matter? Mr.Davis has run the Raiders into the fucking ground gone are the days when they(the Raiders) where relevant. Have you tried to setdown and watch a Raider game lately their complete shit and Lane Kiffin has/had nothing to do with it.I guess we have all underestmated just how many friends fatts has in the media. Or is it that some in the press along with those two cryin' pussies Urban and Nick are afraid that UT just might recover and become relevant again!

TA.

what he is doing that others are not is letting the media in on what he is doing. he wants the publicity because recruits are seeing and responding to it. its PR... it ain't hurting recruiting obviously. They just had 400 kids show up at one day camps...

[LWSVOL]

the meeting was a function of the camp and not recruiting. Might be a thin argument, but and argument nonetheless. Of course, if the NCAA asks for a list of campers that got private meetings with Kiffin(along with their parents) they might find a pattern.:bulb:

I could care less about the previous secondary violations. I just want ESPN to have their "Aha!" moment fizzle. Of course, there will not be an ESPN follow up if it isn't and the damage is done as the national media and blogosphere will pounce with the typical "Kiffin does it again" story with a rehashing of every misstep he's made. Hell, I was listening to the Reds-Cubs game on the radio this afternoon and Marty Brenneman mentioned being a big Urban Meyer ("My man" as he called him) & UF football fan. He stated UT was in for a beating and they had asked for it.

that film was not from camp. it was from recruiting visit weekend..

[tnjimbob]

ESPN is insuring that no rock is left unturned in reporting this to EVERY media outlet. Meanwhile Saint Meyer can do no wrong.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-tennessee-espn&prov=ap&type=lgns

Remember the Don Henley song "Dirty Laundry"? This chick reminds me of the "bubble-headed bleach blonde, comes on @ 5. She can tell you 'bout the plane crash with a gleam in her eye".

[wagee12]

Larry, Your theory makes perfect sense. There is certainly a possibility that Lane is playing ESPN like a fine violin.

[Volcano]

him out to be. I say he's wily like a fox and knows exactly what he is doing save maybe the Corch Meyer comments at the breakfast. On OTL when they asked him about the gas pumping he said with a big ole shit face grin "now you know that all gas nowadays is self serve." If Kiffin wasn't doing what he's doing then we wouldn't get any pub. He made himself a lightning rod for a reason and ESPN is like a drug addict that can't say no. ESPN loves them some Kiffin.

[LWSVOL]

Larry, Your theory makes perfect sense. There is certainly a possibility that Lane is playing ESPN like a fine violin.

i certainly think we have intentially released these violations at times. There is no reason to publicize them so fmor the university standpoint except we are riding a wave of publicty adn it AIN'T hurting us.

Griffith said on his blog that the tape from ESPN was camp tape. I had heard it was from recruiting. Trying to determine which is correct...

[Little Jimi]

He doesn[t care if UT gets Mentioned in the Media...just so long as it is MENTIONED....UT football has been mentioned more in the media and on TV since 1998...It's all part of a plan... "HATE ME OR LOVE ME"..JUST BE SURE YOU TALK ABOUT ME".. that's all this is about...smart P.R work on his part...:yes2:

[SoftballVol]

Here is a toll free number to call to let that bunch at ESPN know just exactly how you feel about their treatment of Lane Kiffin.

1-866-ESPN OTL

By the way, the recorded voice that answers is the ESPN version of Phat Blobb!
When you call them how about asking them to show some footage of the time they conspired with Connecticut to help them illegally recruit Maya Moore? Surely a recruiting violation that ESPN itself was involved in would be more interesting?

[VolFrannie]

Griffith said on his blog that the tape from ESPN was camp tape. I had heard it was from recruiting. Trying to determine which is correct...

I'm pretty sure it was said in the piece that that was from the Orange and White game weekend, not a recent camp.

[PhilipDoyle]

Spot on. He's ruined the Raiders.

I'll give you that. It's not the same organization that The Snake took to a Super Bowl win.

(Or Jim Plunkett either. for that matter)

[PhilipDoyle]

He doesn[t care if UT gets Mentioned in the Media...just so long as it is MENTIONED....UT football has been mentioned more in the media and on TV since 1998...It's all part of a plan... "HATE ME OR LOVE ME"..JUST BE SURE YOU TALK ABOUT ME".. that's all this is about...smart P.R work on his part...:yes2:

We'll see if Kiffin's "Pee Wee Herman" strategy will be effective. Time will tell. I don't think this kind of PR is gonna help him or hurt him. Ultimately, it will be all about wins and losses. He's got some guys around him who can coach, that's for sure. And some can recruit, although I think you are starting to learn that no one went to Bama just because of Lance Thompson. I don't think Kiffin's gonna have much trouble coaching the players. I think the area that has the biggest potential for failure is management of the egos on his coaching staff. If he can keep Orgeron, Thompson, Gran, and the rest on the same page and marching in step behind him, and it's clear that it is Kiffin and not his dad that's running the show, his chances of success rise exponentially.

[SoftballVol]

ESPN attempted to do a hatchet job on Kiffin and showed some tape of three prospects going into a meeting room with Kiffin, which is, of course, a minor recruiting violation. Basically same thing as Auburn ran into with the footage of recruits at the log roll or whatever they call it. One of the problems here is that I am almost positive that ESPN knew what they were doing when they included the 10 to 15 seconds of the three recruits. Highlights of the piece were Pete Carroll and Grendel and all the great things they had to say about Kiffin. They also showed a poison pen letter from the Raiders who refused to have anyone comment publically.
Is it a secondary violation to allow the media to observe the camps? After all, they're usually teeming with recruits.

[rocketcityvol]

..found on an auburn site:

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Re: Lane Kiffin seems like he'll never learn..

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Regarding secondary violations, ESPN is hyping this up like it has never happened before. Last year GEORGIA had 17 secondary violations. In the 2004-2005 season, OKLAHOMA had 40 secondary violations. Over the past nine years OHIO STATE has had more than 130 secondary violations. But you heard virtually nothing about these schools and their very high number of violations. Last year there were more than 4,000 secondary violations by NCAA schools. Keep this in mind when the hear about the six or seven Tennessee secondary violations.

This makes so much sense I wouldn't be surprised if a Vol wrote it.

[Vol Navy]

There was a report on the news in the last night or two about this and according to the university we are currently 6th in the SEC in reported secondary violations, it didn't say who the 5 ahead of us are.

[VolFrannie]

I hope a Vol didn't write it, his numbers are way off.