Why Rush is Wrong: a con's view...

[Polemicvol]

A counter punch in the war on the right... (http://www.newsweek.com/id/188279/page/1)

Of course, we can keep repeating our old lines all the same, just the way Tip O'Neill kept exhorting the American middle class to show more gratitude to the New Deal. But politicians who talk that way soon sound old, tired, and cranky. I wish somebody at the … GOP presidential debate at the Reagan Library had said: "Ronald Reagan was a great leader and a great president because he addressed the problems of his time. But we have very different problems—and we need very different answers. Here are mine."

[TennesseeTuxedo]

The public and the U.S. Senate are rapidly losing confidence with Obama.

The stock market has tanked 33% since he was elected. For those who forget, the stock market is largely based on the future and confidence that investors have in the future.

People are losing money and many of the centrists are realizing that Obama is not governing as a centrist, but rather as the far left loon that conservatives saw him run as.

Even in the Senate, a center coalition is developing as a result of the economy tanking with Obama at the helm. There is little confidence anywhere in his vision.

This nation is still right center and will begin to move further to the right as Obama pushes his marxism on the nation.

[Polemicvol]

All of America will wake up and realize that the radcon ideology is the best for everybody. Even when it's clear that American conservatism has utterly failed as a economic philosophy over the last 25 years and particularly over the last 8 years.

Yep, that's the ticket.

Oh, and the article above isn't about Obama. It's about the future of conservatism and the GOP. But I bet you didn't read any of it.

[humbletx]

The public and the U.S. Senate are rapidly losing confidence with Obama.

The stock market has tanked 33% since he was elected. For those who forget, the stock market is largely based on the future and confidence that investors have in the future.

People are losing money and many of the centrists are realizing that Obama is not governing as a centrist, but rather as the far left loon that conservatives saw him run as.

Even in the Senate, a center coalition is developing as a result of the economy tanking with Obama at the helm. There is little confidence anywhere in his vision.

This nation is still right center and will begin to move further to the right as Obama pushes his marxism on the nation.

The market - 'SPALIN something to me oooooo wonderous money making machine - over the last 8 years how has the "market" performed.. Look at the numbers when Geeedyba kicked of his administration - and where it was when he left office.. 8 Frekking years of data.. Did ya not get the messages in 2008?

You whined like a 3 year old when retail gas prices were approaching $4.00 - but had not taken advantage of the "market" of the O/G industry.. How, much if any did you make, off your investments in Exxon/Mobil, BP, or the hundreds of publically traded companies that support the O/G industry..

Did your ride the domestic auto industry in to the toilet in 08? What segment of the "market" did you cash out off?

or did you, like many who have been in the "market" for awhile - lose 30 to 40% of long term investments before you could stop the bleeding. Then lose even more?

Tell me you were making a killing in 08, in the "market" and I won't hesitate to call your BS..

There are many reasons to dislike those in power, politically, in the Obama administration - Yet you wanna know WHY Obama was elected - 8 horrible years of George Bush - who, using your measuring stick - sat idly by last fall, and did nothing to prevent the "market" from crumbling..

[10 uh C VOL]

To see the whole picture you have to look at more than 8 years...

The housing market crashed in large part because ole Billy C said that everyone deserves a home, which then forced banks to lend to people that they would have never given loans to before. Bank used to have the ability to tell you, "I am sorry but you do not qualify...good luck." Instead people got houses that everyone, including themselves, knew that they couldn't afford. Oh, and the right tried to warn everyone two years ago, but the left (Barney Franks) said publically that there is nothing wrong with the housing market, let it be. Of course he, just like Obama, were raking in donations from Fannie Maye/Freddie Mac, which is a whole 'nother topic for discussion.

Don't forget that the economy was thriving better than it ever has just three years ago...if you don't remember, go look at that data. But in 2006, people wanted change, and at that time change was the fact that we were still in the war. Well, people couldn't elect a president in 2006, so they came out in droves and gave control of the house and senate to the dems. Now if you really want to look at data, look at the last two years while the left house and senate were in control.

One other thing since Kennedy was mentioned in this thread...remember what he said: "Ask not what your country can do for you-ask what you can do for your country." This is the antithesis of what the country is now. Our biggest problem is that most of America now wants the country to do for them what they can't do for themselves. This feeling of entitlement is pathetic.

[TennesseeTuxedo]

Poley said that Capitalism failed and that Marxism is our salvation.

Poley clearly stated that he is a Marxist

[Polemicvol]

Blabbering mindlessly about "Communists" and "Marxists" and perhaps "Black Helicopters" and other radcon nightmares.

All they can do to defend their failed economic ideology is to shout silly hyperbole.:thk:

[Polemicvol]

To see the whole picture you have to look at more than 8 years...

The housing market crashed in large part because ole Billy C said that everyone deserves a home, which then forced banks to lend to people that they would have never given loans to before. Bank used to have the ability to tell you, "I am sorry but you do not qualify...good luck." Instead people got houses that everyone, including themselves, knew that they couldn't afford. Oh, and the right tried to warn everyone two years ago, but the left (Barney Franks) said publically that there is nothing wrong with the housing market, let it be. Of course he, just like Obama, were raking in donations from Fannie Maye/Freddie Mac, which is a whole 'nother topic for discussion.

This is a radcon fairy tale. Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, and the community reinvestment act had almost nothing to do with the collapse of the banking system. Banks weren't forced to make loans to people who didn't quality. The loans that went bad, weren't the mortgages written to government standards, like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The loans that went bad were the high risk, high rate, unregulated, Wall Street backed loans, the Subprime loans, not Fannie, Freddie, or CRA loans.

Don't forget that the economy was thriving better than it ever has just three years ago...if you don't remember, go look at that data. But in 2006, people wanted change, and at that time change was the fact that we were still in the war. Well, people couldn't elect a president in 2006, so they came out in droves and gave control of the house and senate to the dems. Now if you really want to look at data, look at the last two years while the left house and senate were in control.

The policies that caused our economic collapse were put in place since Republicans gained control of Congress in 1994. That is the policy of complete deregulation and unsupervised, unregulated capitalism. Bill Clinton was part of the problem, but the greatest damage was done in the Bush II era, when Federal Agency regulators were replaced with industry lobbyists, who gave the green light to derivitives, credit default swaps, collateralized debt obligations (CBOs) and all the other new, esoteric, and completely unregulated financial instruments that collapsed in 2007-2008 and led to the current recession/depression.


One other thing since Kennedy was mentioned in this thread...remember what he said: "Ask not what your country can do for you-ask what you can do for your country." This is the antithesis of what the country is now. Our biggest problem is that most of America now wants the country to do for them what they can't do for themselves. This feeling of entitlement is pathetic.

Yes, predatory unregulated capitalism does create entitlement by the masters of the universe who exploit the public. A great redistribution of wealth has occurred over the last 30 years of primary Republican rule and their economic ideology. That redistribution has enriched the elite entitled class of exploiters and criminals.

People Teddy Roosevelt called "Malfactors of Great Wealth". People who were unleached upon America's middle class by GOP enablers. Yes, it's been a sad, sad, era of wealthy entitlement in America, an era President Kennedy would have been appalled by.

[humbletx]

Yes, predatory unregulated capitalism does create entitlement by the masters of the universe who exploit the public. A great redistribution of wealth has occurred over the last 30 years of primary Republican rule and their economic ideology. That redistribution has enriched the elite entitled class of exploiters and criminals.

People Teddy Roosevelt called "Malfactors of Great Wealth". People who were unleached upon America's middle class by GOP enablers. Yes, it's been a sad, sad, era of wealthy entitlement in America, an era President Kennedy would have been appalled by.

figured tootie 'I got mine" would duck and run.. Poley - you're ramblin' just as much as tootsie the empty head with this latest.. Masters of the universe, regulations, lets pin this shit on a particular political party bullshit.

You've been right there in the mix - banking, housing, credit - during that 30 year span - and rolled with it.. Maybe all that was against your political views/leanings - but none the less a part of the process as it were. To somehow attempt to pin the tail on the donkey aligning that with a particular political party is nonsense.

Its easy to ignore tootsie's frekkin' ignorance - but goodness gracious come poley don't wallow in the same bucket of sh*t he and his like minded kind do..

[TennesseeTuxedo]

The facts are:

1) Poley harbors some extreme Marxist beliefs.
2) Poley and the "Don Quixote" Obama administration are "tilting at windmills" in their attempt to isolate and demonize a talk radio entertainer.
3) Many of the current problems are nation faces are directly related the lack of confidence in actions and direction that Obama and the Democrat controlled congress has taken.

To address this column and Poley in any other way is to dignify their latest strawman fight.

[humbletx]

The facts are:

1) Poley harbors some extreme Marxist beliefs.
2) Poley and the "Don Quixote" Obama administration are "tilting at windmills" in their attempt to isolate and demonize a talk radio entertainer.
3) Many of the current problems are nation faces are directly related the lack of confidence in actions and direction that Obama and the Democrat controlled congress has taken.

To address this column and Poley in any other way is to dignify their latest strawman fight.

WTF tootsie

1) mindreadin' is your one intellectual trait.
2) thats funny as hell - after 8 years of "isolate & demonize" Bush administration
3) psssst this train from hell has been on track for over 2 years.. The lack of action by the prior administration (hell I may as well toss in the word direction too) is evident.. Its easy to overlook, in your case, the words of the Republican candidate - my man Capt. John McCain - regarding the US economy last fall? That - plus the lack of response from the Bush administration.

strawmen? WTF - you're nothing more than a perfect example of the "twittering class of nitwits" :nana:

[TennesseeTuxedo]

and who in congress was pullin' that train?

:zzz:

[humbletx]

and who in congress was pullin' that train?

:zzz:

The same folks who were pulling the so called "train" - that led to the current train wreck.. :nono:

Still haven't figured all this stuff out as of yet have ya tootsie? :img59:

[Napervol]

Our problems could/should be blamed on any and every politician there is. They feed off the wealth of this nation while taking money from many different sources. Because they do this they are derelict in their duties. To confuse this with either party or belief is simply partisan

Politicians suck. They fucked up by not watching what was going on. All parties. The reason we will never fix it is because people shut their mind when their guys do it, and become part of the problem.

However, just because some people from President Clinton and Bush on down did away with some regulation- does that mean we should give away the country to all the shitheads who will not work no matter what? For what purpose....and how does that fix the banks and the market?

[10 uh C VOL]

Agreed....All politicians suck.

[humbletx]

Our problems could/should be blamed on any and every politician there is. They feed off the wealth of this nation while taking money from many different sources. Because they do this they are derelict in their duties. To confuse this with either party or belief is simply partisan

Politicians suck. They fucked up by not watching what was going on. All parties. The reason we will never fix it is because people shut their mind when their guys do it, and become part of the problem.

However, just because some people from President Clinton and Bush on down did away with some regulation- does that mean we should give away the country to all the shitheads who will not work no matter what? For what purpose....and how does that fix the banks and the market?

Tossin' out that "all political hacks" are to share the burden of blame - doesn't resolve the problems we face as a nation.

They did watch IMO - what many did was sit idly by and do nothing..

[Polemicvol]

If it's the Democrats fault, then the Democrats are to blame.

If it's the Republicans fault, then both parties are to blame.

For conservatism and Republicanism never fails.:rotfl:

It's the Goper Kool aid.