Ouch - there isn't much that

[humbletx]

can be done..http://en.rian.ru/russia/20090302/120375219.html

[BillVol]

OK, now I'm starting to wonder about Obama.

[humbletx]

OK, now I'm starting to wonder about Obama.

Obamalama doesn't hold the cards. Remember Bin Laden - and his long term plans about bringing the USA to its knees?

After years of war - and what has transpired within the military its a tad bit easier to understand this position.

[gallavol]

This is the wisest move made by an American President in 30 years. Hooray, maybe we can lower defense spending by a few hundred trillion dollars in the next several years. Keeping Gates was another wise move by Obama, he is a pragmatic Sec of Defense, not a warmonger.

[ZippyVol]

This is the wisest move made by an American President in 30 years.

Dont be an idiot. There is no way you can actually defend that statement (i.e....looking through every decision every president has made dating back to Ford to actually make a comparison...), and even if you could...you would be wrong.

It's a great decision only if you trust Putin (who still pulls the strings). I seem to remember a bunch of people laughing at GW when he said he could a few years ago...and Putin has NOT gotten better with age.








*I should probably point something out: If you are not Putin, you can not trust Putin. Period. Obama is a moron.

[gallavol]

Thats right Zipper The President of the Harvard Law Review and now the United States is a moron and Zippy is a smart guy.. hahahahahaha. :nono:

[ZippyVol]

Thats right Zipper The President of the Harvard Law Review and now the United States is a moron and Zippy is a smart guy.. hahahahahaha. :nono:

This is not about me, my intelligence (or even lack thereof) is kinda not relevant. It's not my job to fix the economy. It's not my job to come up with answers. It's my job to point out mistakes. I have no burden to offer counter proposals...I simply must obstruct. I learned this from your and Poley's (among others) examples, btw; over the last 8 years. Good job. Being the opposition is a nice fun break from responsibility.

This is about Obama. Considering his economic policy is just making things (catestrophically) worse, and he actually thinks Russia and Putin are trustworthy...yeah, he's pretty dumb.

[LegendofNation]

GREAT move.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[jbakes]

:nono:

[Horde wannabee]

What do you expect our "Terrorist-in-Chief" to do. At least he's not going to give the ruskies a missile shield when he gives them our launch codes. Smart guy!:madfury::ar15:

[TennesseeTuxedo]

Anyone who supports the Marxist in office is a weak person who can't fend for themselves and needs the marxist to take from others to help them leech off of them.

[Polemicvol]

I know that's something most Radcon's don't understand, but it's something President Obama does understand. Diplomacy.

What a brilliant move. The Russians have built or are building all the nuclear facilities in Iran. The Bushites justified their stupid "missile shield" crap, based upon a currently non-existent threat from Iran.

If we remove the threat from Iran, the "missile shield" is completely unnecessary. Russia can stop Iran's nuclear program in it's tracks as their supplier of nuclear technology.

So Obama accomplishes two things with one diplomatic move. Better relations with Russia and a reduction of tensions with Russia, as well as elimination of a future nuclear threat from Iran.

Brilliant. Simply Brilliant.:thk:

[ZippyVol]

Brilliant. Simply Brilliant.:thk:

Something I'm finally starting to enjoy is that I'm not all that emotionally invested in the whole political landscape right now. In all honesty, having to defend Bush's policies for the last 7 years or so was kinda draining. Especially when most of the arguments were mostly silly. Either tempests-in-a-tea-pot contrived grievances, or endlessly arguing over past decisions without much basis to the current state of events. I'm pretty apathetic at this point.

The election is long over, and I was pretty damn apathetic before even that. Basically because I've been resigned to whatever talking suit the Democrats nominated in 2008 about 5 seconds after the 2004 election was called for Bush. The only surprise was that it was not Hillary, but that's really a pretty trivial surprise. For a brief minute I thought McCain would win; but that was mostly attributable to underestimating how badly tarred Republicans were and how much of a pass the media would give Obama. Again, really not that much of a surprise.

In an odd way, apathy is nice. I dont have any burden to argue in support of a policy I dont agree with. And since my disagreement really is not important anyway, I dont feel much need to argue with anyone in my opposition. Nothing I say is going to change anything, one party has control so dissenting voices are pretty much just ignored until an election rolls around. They are going to do whatever they are going to do. Since the election isnt close yet, I'm taking a break.

It's kinda like a game of poker. I've played all my cards, they are out of my hands. You guys are playing yours now. I'm just waiting for them to be shown. Obama's diplomacy, like his 'stimulus' and contrived, demonizing attacks on Rush trying to create a replacement for Bush will either work or they will not work. We'll see.

[Polemicvol]

Ah, a reasoned and rational Zippy.

I think I prefer the flame thrower Zippy.:007:

[ZippyVol]

I'm always reasoned and rational.

My rational and reasoned expectation for Obama and the dems is that they will either be enormously successfull, or colossal failures. There really is not much hope for a middle ground. Since my voice is basically disenfranchised for at least the next year or so, I'm content to sit back and wait for the rear view mirror to come into focus.

[humbletx]

Something I'm finally starting to enjoy is that I'm not all that emotionally invested in the whole political landscape right now. In all honesty, having to defend Bush's policies for the last 7 years or so was kinda draining. Especially when most of the arguments were mostly silly. Either tempests-in-a-tea-pot contrived grievances, or endlessly arguing over past decisions without much basis to the current state of events. I'm pretty apathetic at this point.

The election is long over, and I was pretty damn apathetic before even that. Basically because I've been resigned to whatever talking suit the Democrats nominated in 2008 about 5 seconds after the 2004 election was called for Bush. The only surprise was that it was not Hillary, but that's really a pretty trivial surprise. For a brief minute I thought McCain would win; but that was mostly attributable to underestimating how badly tarred Republicans were and how much of a pass the media would give Obama. Again, really not that much of a surprise.

In an odd way, apathy is nice. I dont have any burden to argue in support of a policy I dont agree with. And since my disagreement really is not important anyway, I dont feel much need to argue with anyone in my opposition. Nothing I say is going to change anything, one party has control so dissenting voices are pretty much just ignored until an election rolls around. They are going to do whatever they are going to do. Since the election isnt close yet, I'm taking a break.

It's kinda like a game of poker. I've played all my cards, they are out of my hands. You guys are playing yours now. I'm just waiting for them to be shown. Obama's diplomacy, like his 'stimulus' and contrived, demonizing attacks on Rush trying to create a replacement for Bush will either work or they will not work. We'll see.

Obamalama doesn't have a play - and the so called "brilliant" move wasn't his to make.

#1 Putin is in charge - he is a cold, calculating b*stard who'll tether the Obamalamalites to a pole and screw'em at his convenience.

#2 Russia/Putin - diplomacy is a one way street - maybe some nice sounding words which the Obamalamadingalings will find pleasing - but rest assured as Putin walks off stage - he is sayin' we"re gonna f*ck once again..

#3 Russia/Putin/Afghanistan/history - clue to the Obamalamalites - Putin experienced, first hand, the Afghanistan experience, and the results of the Afghanistan experience on his country. Add "nukes" to the equation - and you somehow think he doesn't desire the US to bleed like a hog in a slaughter pen dealing with that issue, all the while playing the concerned diplomat?