INTERESTING new Plot Twist...

[HAWKVOL]

C&P from VQ:

"Someone wanted this repeated because at this point I haveReply (javascript:window.location.href=('compose.asp?sid =879&fid=2251&style=2&rid=144989807&tid=144989807');)
had a lot of stress/ which can make a smart man incoherent. Here it is.

one a blood test or (several) were probably given to the Edit | Reply
assailant russell and I'll bet it was a full test that included drugs and alcohol-suspoena those
2]somene who doesn;t]dodm't]trust the ;KPD.LOcAL POLICR DEPT; Law enforcement is saving a video from a cell phone
that had an sd card in it because he knew one of those involved was with the knoxville police and is holding it[is willing to sell it to the media] to give to hughes lawyer or the us justice dept. This is in my opinion from someone who is fairly credible.Just wants the players charged and then will show and embarrass the local police."

[Rickyvol]

C&P from VQ:

"Someone wanted this repeated because at this point I haveReply (javascript:window.location.href=('compose.asp?sid =879&fid=2251&style=2&rid=144989807&tid=144989807');)
had a lot of stress/ which can make a smart man incoherent. Here it is.

one a blood test or (several) were probably given to the Edit | Reply
assailant russell and I'll bet it was a full test that included drugs and alcohol-suspoena those
2]somene who doesn;t]dodm't]trust the ;KPD.LOcAL POLICR DEPT; Law enforcement is saving a video from a cell phone
that had an sd card in it because he knew one of those involved was with the knoxville police and is holding it[is willing to sell it to the media] to give to hughes lawyer or the us justice dept. This is in my opinion from someone who is fairly credible.Just wants the players charged and then will show and embarrass the local police."






um of course Russell was given a blood test at the hospital, it's standard...how do you think anyone else will get a copy of those results if KPD didnt request them though?

[LeonVol]

C&P from VQ:

"Someone wanted this repeated because at this point I haveReply (javascript:window.location.href=('compose.asp?sid =879&fid=2251&style=2&rid=144989807&tid=144989807');)
had a lot of stress/ which can make a smart man incoherent. Here it is.

one a blood test or (several) were probably given to the Edit | Reply
assailant russell and I'll bet it was a full test that included drugs and alcohol-suspoena those
2]somene who doesn;t]dodm't]trust the ;KPD.LOcAL POLICR DEPT; Law enforcement is saving a video from a cell phone
that had an sd card in it because he knew one of those involved was with the knoxville police and is holding it[is willing to sell it to the media] to give to hughes lawyer or the us justice dept. This is in my opinion from someone who is fairly credible.Just wants the players charged and then will show and embarrass the local police."






I have not a clue why any ER physician would have ordered multiple toxicology reports for a patient that was beat up. Unless I was trying to differentiate between a head injury and possible substances in his system I would have little reason to order these tests. I would be surprised if they got any labs at all. I would figure x-rays and possibly a head CT would be all that would really be appropriate. Unless I was worried about bleeding I would have little use for a blood alcohol level if the patient was alert and oriented. So I would bet that this person making this claim would lose some money....

[LeonVol]

um of course Russell was given a blood test at the hospital, it's standard...how do you think anyone else will get a copy of those results if KPD didnt request them though?

It is not standard to get blood work on someone that has been beaten up. Its standard to get some x-rays and such. I would say that in a month I see about 5-10 assaults (more in the summer for some reason) and I rarely get blood work unless they have fractured ribs, very tender abdomen (usually with point tenderness) and/or they have an altered mental status.

Although the medical record can be used in court I am not part of the investigation team. If I don't have a medical need to know if this kid had drugs or alcohol in his system then i don't order the tests. Just as a point of info. alcohol is a blood draw and most other drugs are a urine test.

I would however ask if he had any alcohol that night and it would be documented in my assessment.... even if he said no and I smelled alcohol on him that would be in the assessment. But the latter would be subjective and very hard to use in court.

[HAWKVOL]

you guys are missing the point.....apparently there is someone out there that has this whole thing recorded on his cell phone.

This guy, per the poster, is waiting to release this video intil AFTER the cops finish their investigation and issue arrests...the inference being that the video supports Hugh's story and he wants to Trump the KPD findings with his info.

[clintonaldo]

No Hawk, we get it but the problem is a lot on here will end up looking like a bunch of idiots for rushing to label the players thugs.

[HAWKVOL]

No Hawk, we get it but the problem is a lot on here will end up looking like a bunch of idiots for rushing to label the players thugs.


They ARE Thugs (at least that group painting with a broad brush). But are they Thugs That can STILL Play Football for Tennessee?

[CourtJester]

If that is true the guy isn't doing Hughes any favor by holding it. It's harder to get charges dismissed than to prevent them from being brought in the first place, and even if the video shows Russell popping Hughes first, there may still be charges brought for an excessive beatdown afterward. If the video (if it exists) shows Hughes getting punched first he would be better served by getting it out there now.

[sgvolfan]

sounds like he may not be as interested in clearing anyone as he is in embarrassing the KPD

[LeonVol]

sounds like he may not be as interested in clearing anyone as he is in embarrassing the KPD

plus the cell phone video, unless very long, will probably start either right before or right after the fight starts. Whichever side is implicated will say that the video leaves out this, that or the other. It may lay to rest some implications but it may open up another can all together. I don't think the law protects anyone who jumps in... you can defend yourself but would self defense statutes extend to defending a friend you are with?

[PitiFulmer]

plus the cell phone video, unless very long, will probably start either right before or right after the fight starts. Whichever side is implicated will say that the video leaves out this, that or the other. It may lay to rest some implications but it may open up another can all together. I don't think the law protects anyone who jumps in... you can defend yourself but would self defense statutes extend to defending a friend you are with?

I would assume so. If someone attacked your wife, relative, or friend....the law shouldn't suggest you just sit there to wait and see if your companion can take the beating or not.

[sodapop]

plus the cell phone video, unless very long, will probably start either right before or right after the fight starts. Whichever side is implicated will say that the video leaves out this, that or the other. It may lay to rest some implications but it may open up another can all together. I don't think the law protects anyone who jumps in... you can defend yourself but would self defense statutes extend to defending a friend you are with?



Why would anyone be videoing before the fight started ? I would bet if there is even a video , it doesn't have the first punch thrown . Also the beginning of Hawks copy and paste is fale as there were no blood/alcohol/ drug tests taken . Therefore if the beginning is false I would imagine the rest is too

[real turf fan]

Who said he was stepping on people when he moved the fight outside.
He was at least 275lbs and if he stepped on the cop, he would do damage. The tapes of his interviews should be interesting because he said that he was stepping on people. So where are the other injured folks?

[sangle wang]

but every trauma patient gets drug and alcohol screened along with a panel of tests that are standard. There are many good reasons why.

ER folks don't always have a history on the arrival and it isn't unusual for the story they arrive with to be a total lie.

You can't rust a neurologic exam if patient is high/drunk etc. Might not pick up on a turn for the worse if clouded by "substance". Drugs can affect several lab values, too.

Illicit drugs and alcohol on board might affect therapuetic drugs we might use.

Withdrawal and d.t.'s can be hell to manage and it is helpful to be prepared and know ahead of time.

Finally, mnay traumas whether car crashes, fights, falls etc end up being police/legal cases. You may only have one opportunity to get those sorts of answers.

[fostermom]

but every trauma patient gets drug and alcohol screened along with a panel of tests that are standard. There are many good reasons why.

ER folks don't always have a history on the arrival and it isn't unusual for the story they arrive with to be a total lie.

You can't rust a neurologic exam if patient is high/drunk etc. Might not pick up on a turn for the worse if clouded by "substance". Drugs can affect several lab values, too.

Illicit drugs and alcohol on board might affect therapuetic drugs we might use.

Withdrawal and d.t.'s can be hell to manage and it is helpful to be prepared and know ahead of time.

Finally, mnay traumas whether car crashes, fights, falls etc end up being police/legal cases. You may only have one opportunity to get those sorts of answers.

I agree with you sangle wang about everyone getting tested. My husband, who works crime scenes does that testing on dead people and can decipher drugs and alcohol just from the blood because sometimes urine is not available to test in the bladder (as in, if there is none). So a simple blood test can give them info for the presence of drugs and alcohol. Plus, they would want to know what was in the patient's system before they administer any other drugs so that they won't have adverse reactions and thus be susceptible to any lawsuits.

Bottom line....I see no reason why there wouldn't have been a blood and alcohol test done in the emergency room whether he was a victim or not.