Just keeps getting better

[Athenian]

Obama's adminstration gave a telephone sex number for reporters to call for discussions on the G20 summit. It was appropriate, since we continue to be screwed.

Then they give out misinformation about the guns in Mexico and the origins.

His grade on an MSNBC poll shows him as a failure by 39% of the voters. Of course, this is conservatives voting.

Just a big ole cluster f***!

[Polemicvol]

Sorry dude, it's no myth, it's a stone cold fact, that most guns used to commit drug violence in Mexico come from America.

The ATF says it has traced up to 95 percent of guns seized at scenes of drug violence in Mexico to U.S. commercial sources.... (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i2pNFaCyNkbiuyGsGy6P3A77gjSgD979UDVO0)


Inside Mexico, strict gun control laws prohibit sales of weapons with calibers higher than a .38 handgun. Even to buy those, citizens must get permission from the Defense Department.

North of the border, however, the cartels simply pay straw buyers to pick up weapons at gun shops, gun shows or flea markets, then resell the arms to smugglers.

The ATF says it has traced up to 95 percent of guns seized at scenes of drug violence in Mexico to U.S. commercial sources. These weapons are increasingly higher-powered, including .50 caliber Barrett rifles and ammunition that can pierce the armor of Mexican soldiers and police.

[LegendofNation]

Sorry dude, it's no myth, it's a stone cold fact, that most guns used to commit drug violence in Mexico come from America.

The ATF says it has traced up to 95 percent of guns seized at scenes of drug violence in Mexico to U.S. commercial sources.... (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i2pNFaCyNkbiuyGsGy6P3A77gjSgD979UDVO0)

Uh, wrong again Polio.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2009/04/02/myth-percent-guns-mexico-fraction-number-claimed/

[GhenghisVol]

Good article.

[Polemicvol]

U.S. Guns Behind Cartel Killings in Mexico... (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/28/AR2007102801654.html)


The high-powered guns used in both incidents on the evening of Sept. 24 undoubtedly came from the United States, say police here, who estimate that 100 percent of drug-related killings are committed with smuggled U.S. weapons.

The guns pass into Mexico through the "ant trail," the nickname for the steady stream of people who each slip two or three weapons across the border every day. The "ants" -- along with larger smuggling operations -- are feeding a rapidly expanding arms race between Mexican drug cartels.

The U.S. weapons -- as many as 2,000 enter Mexico each day, according to a Mexican government study -- are crucial tools in an astoundingly barbaric war between rival cartels that has cost 4,000 lives in the past 18 months and sent law enforcement agencies in Washington and Mexico City into crisis mode.

I'll take the Washington Post as a better and more accurate source than FoxNews on this and any subject.

[Athenian]

You surely would, but the fact is that FoxNews is the #1 rated news network by a big, big big margin. MSNBC is a far distant second and about even with CNN in that regard.

Now spin that. Dude.

[GhenghisVol]

Wow, 2000 guns a day. Thats mythic, and so is this story Poley.

[Polemicvol]

Are merely estimates. But the fact is, large numbers of US weapons are being imported into Mexico to arm all sides in a narco-war. The gun nuts in America want to deny those facts, but since the assault weapons ban was overturned, US gun markets are the shopping place of choice for Mexican Narco-trafficers. And they like large caliber and automatic weapons.

[GhenghisVol]

I have this to say. You can maybe smuggle a few guns OUT of this country, but you cannot import guns INTO this country without them going onto a master inventory. These inventories are monitored and the importers/buyers must have a Federal Firearms Licence. When you are licenced, you are accountable for your inventory. There's no way around this.

2000 guns a day, 1000 guns a day, or 500 guns a day smuggled out of this country are ridiculous numbers, especially when you are talking about automatic weapons. These are stories that are invented for the gullible to meet an agenda. I mean come on, people think that Homeland Security is responsible for keeping us safe from "terrorist" attacks for the last 8 years, yet we let so many fucking guns slip in we can afford to export 60,000 weapons a month to Mexico?????? Its rediculous.

[humbletx]

I have this to say. You can maybe smuggle a few guns OUT of this country, but you cannot import guns INTO this country without them going onto a master inventory. These inventories are monitored and the importers/buyers must have a Federal Firearms Licence. When you are licenced, you are accountable for your inventory. There's no way around this.

2000 guns a day, 1000 guns a day, or 500 guns a day smuggled out of this country are ridiculous numbers, especially when you are talking about automatic weapons. These are stories that are invented for the gullible to meet an agenda. I mean come on, people think that Homeland Security is responsible for keeping us safe from "terrorist" attacks for the last 8 years, yet we let so many fucking guns slip in we can afford to export 60,000 weapons a month to Mexico?????? Its rediculous.

Hoss you live where? I don't know who the f*ck is sending you the memo's about guns/drugs X Mexico - but they are clueless. Fill up your trunk with a nice assortment of "guns" here on the east side - and within 24 hours they'll be in Mexico..

[GhenghisVol]

I think you missed my point.

I'm not saying no guns arent smuggled out of the US, just that these numbers are ridiculous. The Obama
administration is manipulating the shit out of these numbers to suit their agenda which is a gun grab. And before
you say that cant happen, think again. In any event, the claim that 90% of these weapons are of US origin
is just a plain fabrication of the data. In fact, of the guns siezed, only about a third are referred back to the
US for a trace. Of this "third", only about half CAN be traced, and about 90% of those weapons are found to be from
the US. You can do the math but it works out as a pretty small number compared to the overall.

Guns are being shipped into Mexico from all over the world. The Mexican Army is the biggest single supplier of these
weapons to the Cartels, any other twisting of the facts is just serves to support this myth.

[Athenian]

The Messiah is now advocating the eradification of all nuke weapons, starting with us. Well, hooptedo let's get rid of ours and let our enemies keep theirs. We can then negotiate from a position of weakness. Insinuates in his speech that the U.S. did wrong when it dropped the two boms on the Japs.

Love the Muslims. They don't mean any harm to us. Bull crap.